Comments on: Liturgy… would you like fries with that? http://www.bishopwatch.org/2008/06/29/fund-raising-after-church/ Striving for accountability in Orthodoxy Wed, 07 Jan 2009 02:42:29 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: Ixthis888 http://www.bishopwatch.org/2008/06/29/fund-raising-after-church/#comment-19 Ixthis888 Mon, 07 Jul 2008 23:45:14 +0000 http://bishopwatch.wordpress.com/?p=22#comment-19 Internet "Blogs" serve as a means to "gossip" without even realising that this is indeed what we are doing. I do not applaud "open forum" unless it has the "blessing" (or in modern day terms: Consential Agreement) from/of the person you are "back-stabbing" ... Are you really doing the church a service or are you infact sinning? - Signed by Vicki. Internet “Blogs” serve as a means to “gossip” without even realising that this is indeed what we are doing. I do not applaud “open forum” unless it has the “blessing” (or in modern day terms: Consential Agreement) from/of the person you are “back-stabbing” … Are you really doing the church a service or are you infact sinning? - Signed by Vicki.

]]> By: George http://www.bishopwatch.org/2008/06/29/fund-raising-after-church/#comment-9 George Sun, 06 Jul 2008 00:44:07 +0000 http://bishopwatch.wordpress.com/?p=22#comment-9 I cant beleive this is the kind of response you get from our top leaders, people whom we should be looking up to. I personally have 3 seperate incidents come to mind when someone mentions the Bishop, which unfortunately are not positive memories. The first one goes back a few years when he came to lead a liturgy service. Straight after the liturgy had ended, he stood up at the front and started an Auction to raise money! This was astonishing to me and others at the time. The second incident occured at several occations at different locations. More often than none, the sermons of the bishop all have a path, and this leads to money and development and buying new churches, and making more churches. People come to church to listen to a spiritual sermon, one that explains the bible and has a relation back to peoples lives. He needs to be told tat its not an opportunity to sell something! I think he needs to concentrate on building the sirituality and foundation of the church before he looks at the "Bricks and Mortar" side of things, as many have left including great ceregy over the years becaue of "our" Bishop for reasons that are unbeleivable, such as trying to bully them to sign over their personal property to the "Church". Doesnt the bible refer to money and the Devil as one? Why is "our" Bishop so money hungry and does not come across to me and others I know as a spirtitual man? The third incident was a disgraceful one. The Bishop was again vititing our church leading a sermon when half way through he looks at his watch and stopped the service, appologised that he had to leave to catch a plane back home and told the preist to continue without him. This is arrogance at the highest level. Someone of his stature is supposed to set an example to us all. If the Bishop cant schedule his flights to be after the service, then he shouldnt have turned up to begin with. Initially I didnt thik this was money related before I learned that the bishop gets paid an "appearance fee". Maybe it was all money related in the end? I dont know what the agreement was at the time, but the point is that if he wasnt going to finish the service, he should never have started it! Well done for starting a public forum, I hope this forum brings some light back into the church. I cant beleive this is the kind of response you get from our top leaders, people whom we should be looking up to.

I personally have 3 seperate incidents come to mind when someone mentions the Bishop, which unfortunately are not positive memories.

The first one goes back a few years when he came to lead a liturgy service. Straight after the liturgy had ended, he stood up at the front and started an Auction to raise money! This was astonishing to me and others at the time.

The second incident occured at several occations at different locations. More often than none, the sermons of the bishop all have a path, and this leads to money and development and buying new churches, and making more churches. People come to church to listen to a spiritual sermon, one that explains the bible and has a relation back to peoples lives. He needs to be told tat its not an opportunity to sell something!

I think he needs to concentrate on building the sirituality and foundation of the church before he looks at the “Bricks and Mortar” side of things, as many have left including great ceregy over the years becaue of “our” Bishop for reasons that are unbeleivable, such as trying to bully them to sign over their personal property to the “Church”.

Doesnt the bible refer to money and the Devil as one? Why is “our” Bishop so money hungry and does not come across to me and others I know as a spirtitual man?

The third incident was a disgraceful one. The Bishop was again vititing our church leading a sermon when half way through he looks at his watch and stopped the service, appologised that he had to leave to catch a plane back home and told the preist to continue without him.

This is arrogance at the highest level. Someone of his stature is supposed to set an example to us all. If the Bishop cant schedule his flights to be after the service, then he shouldnt have turned up to begin with. Initially I didnt thik this was money related before I learned that the bishop gets paid an “appearance fee”. Maybe it was all money related in the end? I dont know what the agreement was at the time, but the point is that if he wasnt going to finish the service, he should never have started it!

Well done for starting a public forum, I hope this forum brings some light back into the church.

]]> By: Fuaad http://www.bishopwatch.org/2008/06/29/fund-raising-after-church/#comment-3 Fuaad Thu, 03 Jul 2008 12:55:18 +0000 http://bishopwatch.wordpress.com/?p=22#comment-3 Hi, About time someone speaks out. We have lost great clergy over the last few years, for little reason explained by the Bishop. The Bishop and the Church, should go back to fundementals and focus on critical issue's with-in the church! Good website.....an open forum, is healthy! Hi,

About time someone speaks out.

We have lost great clergy over the last few years, for little reason explained by the Bishop.

The Bishop and the Church, should go back to fundementals and focus on critical issue’s with-in the church!

Good website…..an open forum, is healthy!

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